This is essentially what Anthropic does with the advisor mode and what GitHub does with their multi-model pipeline using the HydraFusion model, which is just a large set of different models with different qualities used in a pipeline to produce an answer.
What I don't understand is how they all make it work with caching in general. Looking at how the advisor mode in claude work you seem to only be billed the output tokens and cache hit on the whole session when it calls out to the advisor, making it super cheap compared to running the more expensive model for the entire session.
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fmind-dev
Excellent mode! I don't have to constantly switch between models and efforts.
artdigital
There were so many memes about “Gemini Hydrogen” after they released Carbon. That they actually released a model named Hydrogen makes this very funny
But a new Flash model is very welcome. Argon and Carbon are very slow. In the time it takes for them to complete a single task, Opus already managed to complete multiple things. They’re so slow, I started using 3.8 Flash over them. (A lot of it is also because of how terrible agy is. Before doing any task, Gemini feels the need to hover up a bazillion files into its context when the task is something simple like “update the docs of this controller”)
Also this sounds like Argon is dead now
jbellis
I'm honestly surprised they only see 25% savings with co-trained models and special harness support. With Mjolnir bridging Opus to DeepSeek Flash over ACP we see savings of 60%.
I'm really curious how folks feel about this. I regularly use subagents, but typically make my primary implementation agent use Carbon (or equivalent).
I set up my subagents with specific models based on how complex I believe the problem space is. I'm nervous to delegate that authority to a model (since models tend to be... optimistic about their capabilities.)
That said, not every coding task is a difficult coding task. Plenty are boilerplate, plumbing, or simple test authoring that could use a flash model, so maybe this would downgrade nicely.
On the other hand, it's trivial for me to set up some guidelines to create different subagents for different task domains, and just pin those models to those tasks -- implementor (hard) and implementor (easy) or whatever.
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timshel2
Whatever they've done to this webpage makes it feel slow and quite horrible to use. Just leave scrolling alone
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cloverich
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jonplackett
And I thought OpenAI’s name scheme was confusing.
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threecheese
Before I go and burn through my Pro tokens in four minutes again (looking at you, Argon): is this something usable with a mere Pro account? Or will this require Ultimate for agy?
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egeozcan
Are there still some web devs (or LLMs with "rockstar front-end developer" prompts) which think it's ok to override native scroll behavior?
ps. it's freaking not
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0gs
hear me out, finance: two hydrogens, but we call one carbon and allow it to do five more things than hydrogen can. and you can't do the pair-bonded mode for less than $100. by golly it just might work
NeuraCryption
Is google playing chemistry? First they launch Carbon, then hydrogen now next will be oxygen. Are they making models around periodic table of elements?
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small_model
Terrible naming, unless the atomic weight is some indication of size? When is Uranium-235 coming out? Not sure what this model is, is Hydrogen like Sonnet where Carbon is like Opus?
This is essentially what Anthropic does with the advisor mode and what GitHub does with their multi-model pipeline using the HydraFusion model, which is just a large set of different models with different qualities used in a pipeline to produce an answer.
What I don't understand is how they all make it work with caching in general. Looking at how the advisor mode in claude work you seem to only be billed the output tokens and cache hit on the whole session when it calls out to the advisor, making it super cheap compared to running the more expensive model for the entire session.
Excellent mode! I don't have to constantly switch between models and efforts.
There were so many memes about “Gemini Hydrogen” after they released Carbon. That they actually released a model named Hydrogen makes this very funny
But a new Flash model is very welcome. Argon and Carbon are very slow. In the time it takes for them to complete a single task, Opus already managed to complete multiple things. They’re so slow, I started using 3.8 Flash over them. (A lot of it is also because of how terrible agy is. Before doing any task, Gemini feels the need to hover up a bazillion files into its context when the task is something simple like “update the docs of this controller”)
Also this sounds like Argon is dead now
I'm honestly surprised they only see 25% savings with co-trained models and special harness support. With Mjolnir bridging Opus to DeepSeek Flash over ACP we see savings of 60%.
https://blog.slopcop.com/a-cheapskates-guide-to-coding-with-...
I'm really curious how folks feel about this. I regularly use subagents, but typically make my primary implementation agent use Carbon (or equivalent).
I set up my subagents with specific models based on how complex I believe the problem space is. I'm nervous to delegate that authority to a model (since models tend to be... optimistic about their capabilities.)
That said, not every coding task is a difficult coding task. Plenty are boilerplate, plumbing, or simple test authoring that could use a flash model, so maybe this would downgrade nicely.
On the other hand, it's trivial for me to set up some guidelines to create different subagents for different task domains, and just pin those models to those tasks -- implementor (hard) and implementor (easy) or whatever.
Whatever they've done to this webpage makes it feel slow and quite horrible to use. Just leave scrolling alone
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And I thought OpenAI’s name scheme was confusing.
Before I go and burn through my Pro tokens in four minutes again (looking at you, Argon): is this something usable with a mere Pro account? Or will this require Ultimate for agy?
Are there still some web devs (or LLMs with "rockstar front-end developer" prompts) which think it's ok to override native scroll behavior?
ps. it's freaking not
hear me out, finance: two hydrogens, but we call one carbon and allow it to do five more things than hydrogen can. and you can't do the pair-bonded mode for less than $100. by golly it just might work
Is google playing chemistry? First they launch Carbon, then hydrogen now next will be oxygen. Are they making models around periodic table of elements?
Terrible naming, unless the atomic weight is some indication of size? When is Uranium-235 coming out? Not sure what this model is, is Hydrogen like Sonnet where Carbon is like Opus?
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