When Anthropic released "claude design" people were telling that figma is dead now, but in fact claude design didn't move forward and stayed as a "fallback tool" when you quickly need to check / edit something. And for the serious work you still go to Figma and other designer tools.
I have a feeling that Whiteboards, Sheets, Docs and so on will be the same - it's a nicer way to present artefacts, discuss them and maybe make notes, but for the proper editor experience you'll go to the tools which were designed for these things. And I'm not saying that Claude Something tools are bad, they're just overly simplified and limited, probably on purpose.
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option_greek
Model companies are starting to cannibalize their api customers's business cases. Shows that the regular avenues of revenue growth are slowing down
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bertt
> Working with Claude on a project often meant moving the output over to another tool or program, where Claude didn’t have live access to follow progress and changes. Now, your documents, boards, sheets, and dashboards can stay in Claude, with access for your team to continue editing together.
I read this as: We'll build anything and everything into Claude eventually.
How does this work long-term? Is the new reality going to be picking an AI provider for all of your SaSS tooling, similar to Cloud providers for infra? Hopefully competition thrives.
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FailMore
I have a different approach to the industry when it comes to work documents.
I'm building https://smalldocs.org / https://github.com/espressoplease/smalldocs. My take is that the siloed approach of previous document formats is now redundant. The document formats were isolated because we needed heavy tools for humans to do the work. Now we need lightweight javascript predominately for rending as agents do the work, so document formats can be blended.
This means SmallDocs allows an agent to put together a document (the underlying format is markdown with rich custom rendering on top) with text, diagrams, a multi tab spreadsheet, charts, code, slides, etc.
I think the larger play here, both by Anthropic and OpenAI, is how quickly can they become the place of work. Maybe today these products look very basic, but I feel it's part of a larger strategic play for model companies to become office/work suite companies where said suite is powered by their models.
mmcconnell1618
Apple created IWork: Pages, Numbers, Keynote. Google created Workspaces with Docs, Sheets, Slides. Open source options like LibreOffice and OpenOffice exist. Google is the only one that has managed to take any significant market share from Microsoft. I don't think Anthropic has the focus to follow it through.
etoxin
These products have already failed.
As a traditional company, if I had invested with a large team to build out these three tools. I wouldn't launch it with a short blog post. It shows how serious they are at maintaining them. People forget there are entire teams/companies supporting SaaS products. Not just the engineers that built them.
1broseidon
I don't know, I feel like it's nice to have most of these things built into claude desktop as a quick way for Claude to mock up or show me what the data looks like but ultimately want to use my specialized app for the work anyway. If anything, its the ultimate combination - show me the work quickly here first, then port it to the final state inside Excel, Powerpoing, Figma, whatever.
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minimaxa
What this is long-term is a strategy to pull corporate customers out of existing incumbents and move them into a more efficient, easier system. Humans always want an advantage, which is speed and ease.
But the trade-off is a move from a bundled cloud service that is currently unlimited use into a new method of token-based content generation, which can be more expensive via API.
It appears to be a business model made directly from the 2000's with expensive mobile phone data charges and overages.
postatic
Bring in Claude Mail and calendar.. then it’s going to be very interesting..
paxy
I don’t understand the need for these side quests. Microsoft has a 40 year lead in spreadsheets. You are not going to dethrone them no matter how good your AI’s code is. And no one is asking you for an excel competitor. Fixing the million problems in existing products that users have already raised (aka the boring work) is a much better use of resources.
This project comes from a pure love of grids of numbers - and a deep sense that Excel has failed to keep pace with stuff like columnar data (Apache Arrow), fast queries (Rust Polars), proper number types, etc. so tbh don’t feel very threatened.
Feedback - good and bad very welcome.
htrp
> When you’re done brainstorming, Claude can turn the board into a doc or deck, or bring it into tools like Lucid, Miro, or Vani by Zoho, where you can continue working on it with your team.
either fully commit to disrupting your customers and keep a walled garden or stop building in the space, this incremental approach will only ship confusion
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the-chitmonger
Man, I really hope that Google doesn't see this and decide to start scraping their suite to train Gemini. As it stands, anything not explicitly marked as public isn't scraped so there's that modicum of peace but I'll have to start exclusively using Euro-Office/LibreOffice if this gets more traction and Google decides to make the switch.
brap
This is kind of weird.
Wouldn’t it make a lot more sense if they’d just let Claude connect to your Excel/Google Sheets/whatever?
Doesn’t even need an MCP or official integration at this point, if there’s computer access there’s access to everything.
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dogscatstrees
Claude is missing an email delivery of these artifacts.
_pdp_
I really don't get why you would launch this instead of doubling down on your strengths, which are coding and cybersecurity models. Possibly at a better price point than your competitors.
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onlyrealcuzzo
The one thing I do really like about Claude / Anthropic is that Claude.ai docs (especially its ability to create HTML docs) seems substantially better than Gemini or ChatGPT.
These seem like natural extensions that I'm sure will be very useful.
yodon
Claude data is a huge move, much bigger than the other two (even if they end up with more users).
All Anthropic needs is to host an S3 clone and they become the default place to put all your company's data because they are the easiest place to analyze the data.
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haute_cuisine
We aren't getting AGI soon if all they can do is copycat existing business software. Why would they do this when superintelligence is around the corner with pay by token access to it?
scottydelta
Watch them abandon these projects after 6 months.
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rwmj
I see they're desperate to lock people and their data into these applications for when the open weights models undercut their main business. Not sure it'll justify the ridiculous valuation, but they need to try something.
cadamsdotcom
Good to see them go after the big players
Let's get Claude office, Claude auth, Claude notebooks.... maybe call it C Suite.
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mentalgear
So LLM provider want to become all-encompasing app/data suite providers. But really this would just shift your data/money from one paid walled garden (Google/Micro$/Adope) into another: so only a lateral move.
The better solution would be a uniform 'App Suite of the commons' (open-source) with a plugable/switchable data and inference providers.
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walthamstow
Did somebody say vendor lock-in?
There's a reason my co still has Slack and it ain't because of its great features and bug-free app. It's because every written conversation we've ever had is in there.
useruser125524
Claude365
ClaudeCloudServices
ClaudeERP
ClaudeCRM
ClaudeNeuralLink
ClaudeConsciousnessUpload
tkdb
Spreadsheets are becoming standard UX elements like text boxes...
cco
Unless Microsoft and Google get their butts into gear, Claude is going to become the basis for running a business and disrupt Office and Workspace.
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hbarka
Nice to see this is also on Teams and Enterprise, naturally.
mentalgear
CLAUDE(/openAI) Everything soon - at least before the IPO.
chasd00
The need a reporting and analytics offering (if they don't have one already). If i can tell it "ok report over this data, join it together on these fildss, bucket by that field" then review and say "no wait, filter by this other field and only show me addresses in Ohio... oh wait let the viewer choose a state and also let them choose a financial quarter. Find out our financial quarters from our website. ok add an appropriate graph to show change of field X over time" then finally "publish and notify users the report is available with a link". That would make a part of my job a lot easier.
WhatsName
Is that really a smart idea with respect to the IPO? Why not leave the risk and reward of building slop on top of AI to the industry?
For one, maintaining a lot of apps and connectors costs time and focus for a marginal return. Also it burns relationships with everyone building on top of your API if they can be disrupted anytime.
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vcryan
Claude vendor lock-in - Claude: not thanks! I prefer you as an easily interchangeable commodity that plays an intermittent role in my broader AI strategy.
nozzlegear
Would much rather use something open-source than something that locks my company into an AI provider. Hell, I'd rather have an AI build something that rips off these three products than get locked in.
IshKebab
RIP Gsuite.
ActionHank
ugh, another thing that no one is going to use.
Their competition is offering good enough models for vastly better prices and they are making products that their customers don't need.
I feel like there will be a site similar to google graveyard for all these AI+X products that OAI and ANT are throwing out.
When Anthropic released "claude design" people were telling that figma is dead now, but in fact claude design didn't move forward and stayed as a "fallback tool" when you quickly need to check / edit something. And for the serious work you still go to Figma and other designer tools. I have a feeling that Whiteboards, Sheets, Docs and so on will be the same - it's a nicer way to present artefacts, discuss them and maybe make notes, but for the proper editor experience you'll go to the tools which were designed for these things. And I'm not saying that Claude Something tools are bad, they're just overly simplified and limited, probably on purpose.
Model companies are starting to cannibalize their api customers's business cases. Shows that the regular avenues of revenue growth are slowing down
> Working with Claude on a project often meant moving the output over to another tool or program, where Claude didn’t have live access to follow progress and changes. Now, your documents, boards, sheets, and dashboards can stay in Claude, with access for your team to continue editing together.
I read this as: We'll build anything and everything into Claude eventually.
How does this work long-term? Is the new reality going to be picking an AI provider for all of your SaSS tooling, similar to Cloud providers for infra? Hopefully competition thrives.
I have a different approach to the industry when it comes to work documents.
I'm building https://smalldocs.org / https://github.com/espressoplease/smalldocs. My take is that the siloed approach of previous document formats is now redundant. The document formats were isolated because we needed heavy tools for humans to do the work. Now we need lightweight javascript predominately for rending as agents do the work, so document formats can be blended.
This means SmallDocs allows an agent to put together a document (the underlying format is markdown with rich custom rendering on top) with text, diagrams, a multi tab spreadsheet, charts, code, slides, etc.
Some example SmallDocs:
* AlphaFold 3: capabilities, evidence and operational limits (diagram, spreadsheets, charts, code, math): https://smalldocs.org/s/k9BtoviHg1eMsWzrSDBVZM#k=v0oIAbORXDj...
* Profitable growth can run out of cash (slides, spreadsheet, charts): https://smalldocs.org/s/nfCr0EEduLQwZAr0_v9ZR2#k=tv_BjigEYwt...
I think the larger play here, both by Anthropic and OpenAI, is how quickly can they become the place of work. Maybe today these products look very basic, but I feel it's part of a larger strategic play for model companies to become office/work suite companies where said suite is powered by their models.
Apple created IWork: Pages, Numbers, Keynote. Google created Workspaces with Docs, Sheets, Slides. Open source options like LibreOffice and OpenOffice exist. Google is the only one that has managed to take any significant market share from Microsoft. I don't think Anthropic has the focus to follow it through.
These products have already failed.
As a traditional company, if I had invested with a large team to build out these three tools. I wouldn't launch it with a short blog post. It shows how serious they are at maintaining them. People forget there are entire teams/companies supporting SaaS products. Not just the engineers that built them.
I don't know, I feel like it's nice to have most of these things built into claude desktop as a quick way for Claude to mock up or show me what the data looks like but ultimately want to use my specialized app for the work anyway. If anything, its the ultimate combination - show me the work quickly here first, then port it to the final state inside Excel, Powerpoing, Figma, whatever.
What this is long-term is a strategy to pull corporate customers out of existing incumbents and move them into a more efficient, easier system. Humans always want an advantage, which is speed and ease.
But the trade-off is a move from a bundled cloud service that is currently unlimited use into a new method of token-based content generation, which can be more expensive via API.
It appears to be a business model made directly from the 2000's with expensive mobile phone data charges and overages.
Bring in Claude Mail and calendar.. then it’s going to be very interesting..
I don’t understand the need for these side quests. Microsoft has a 40 year lead in spreadsheets. You are not going to dethrone them no matter how good your AI’s code is. And no one is asking you for an excel competitor. Fixing the million problems in existing products that users have already raised (aka the boring work) is a much better use of resources.
Ironically, I am using Claude to help write https://omasheet.org
This project comes from a pure love of grids of numbers - and a deep sense that Excel has failed to keep pace with stuff like columnar data (Apache Arrow), fast queries (Rust Polars), proper number types, etc. so tbh don’t feel very threatened.
Feedback - good and bad very welcome.
> When you’re done brainstorming, Claude can turn the board into a doc or deck, or bring it into tools like Lucid, Miro, or Vani by Zoho, where you can continue working on it with your team.
either fully commit to disrupting your customers and keep a walled garden or stop building in the space, this incremental approach will only ship confusion
Man, I really hope that Google doesn't see this and decide to start scraping their suite to train Gemini. As it stands, anything not explicitly marked as public isn't scraped so there's that modicum of peace but I'll have to start exclusively using Euro-Office/LibreOffice if this gets more traction and Google decides to make the switch.
This is kind of weird.
Wouldn’t it make a lot more sense if they’d just let Claude connect to your Excel/Google Sheets/whatever?
Doesn’t even need an MCP or official integration at this point, if there’s computer access there’s access to everything.
Claude is missing an email delivery of these artifacts.
I really don't get why you would launch this instead of doubling down on your strengths, which are coding and cybersecurity models. Possibly at a better price point than your competitors.
The one thing I do really like about Claude / Anthropic is that Claude.ai docs (especially its ability to create HTML docs) seems substantially better than Gemini or ChatGPT.
These seem like natural extensions that I'm sure will be very useful.
Claude data is a huge move, much bigger than the other two (even if they end up with more users).
All Anthropic needs is to host an S3 clone and they become the default place to put all your company's data because they are the easiest place to analyze the data.
We aren't getting AGI soon if all they can do is copycat existing business software. Why would they do this when superintelligence is around the corner with pay by token access to it?
Watch them abandon these projects after 6 months.
I see they're desperate to lock people and their data into these applications for when the open weights models undercut their main business. Not sure it'll justify the ridiculous valuation, but they need to try something.
Good to see them go after the big players
Let's get Claude office, Claude auth, Claude notebooks.... maybe call it C Suite.
So LLM provider want to become all-encompasing app/data suite providers. But really this would just shift your data/money from one paid walled garden (Google/Micro$/Adope) into another: so only a lateral move.
The better solution would be a uniform 'App Suite of the commons' (open-source) with a plugable/switchable data and inference providers.
Did somebody say vendor lock-in?
There's a reason my co still has Slack and it ain't because of its great features and bug-free app. It's because every written conversation we've ever had is in there.
Claude365
ClaudeCloudServices
ClaudeERP
ClaudeCRM
ClaudeNeuralLink
ClaudeConsciousnessUpload
Spreadsheets are becoming standard UX elements like text boxes...
Unless Microsoft and Google get their butts into gear, Claude is going to become the basis for running a business and disrupt Office and Workspace.
Nice to see this is also on Teams and Enterprise, naturally.
CLAUDE(/openAI) Everything soon - at least before the IPO.
The need a reporting and analytics offering (if they don't have one already). If i can tell it "ok report over this data, join it together on these fildss, bucket by that field" then review and say "no wait, filter by this other field and only show me addresses in Ohio... oh wait let the viewer choose a state and also let them choose a financial quarter. Find out our financial quarters from our website. ok add an appropriate graph to show change of field X over time" then finally "publish and notify users the report is available with a link". That would make a part of my job a lot easier.
Is that really a smart idea with respect to the IPO? Why not leave the risk and reward of building slop on top of AI to the industry?
For one, maintaining a lot of apps and connectors costs time and focus for a marginal return. Also it burns relationships with everyone building on top of your API if they can be disrupted anytime.
Claude vendor lock-in - Claude: not thanks! I prefer you as an easily interchangeable commodity that plays an intermittent role in my broader AI strategy.
Would much rather use something open-source than something that locks my company into an AI provider. Hell, I'd rather have an AI build something that rips off these three products than get locked in.
RIP Gsuite.
ugh, another thing that no one is going to use.
Their competition is offering good enough models for vastly better prices and they are making products that their customers don't need.
I feel like there will be a site similar to google graveyard for all these AI+X products that OAI and ANT are throwing out.
Anthropic is playing in Alphabet's field