Man, just when it seemed like we had it all. Computers were cheap, efficient and powerful. Somehow we figured out a way to accomplish tasks we already had solved except now it's 1000x more expensive, requires the combined electricity of the entire world, is reliant on someone else's rented compute, and now I need a robot to tell me what button to press. What a time to be alive.
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hn8726
I tried to read the "Does it need Screen Recording or Accessibility?" part, but it's slopped to the point I have no clue what it's trying to say. But if it can draw on top of permission prompts, what's stopping it from drawing box that hides the "decline" button and changing the "approve" button copy?
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internet101010
The worst trend in UX in the last decade is the endless "Got it!" popups and feature notifications that distract the user from what they were trying to do.
I don't know why anyone would ever willingly want this.
tangotaylor
"It is an arrow, so we spent an unreasonable amount of time on how it looks."
Brilliant. This is exactly the kind of content I seek when I visit Hacker News.
Truly art.
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usrbinbash
SO the point of this is ... what exactly?
A big arrow to an interface element which ... has a label that explains what it does?
So...a label for a label?
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arshxyz
The README is geared towards technical people (complete with the HN screenshot) but when I see a tool like this all I can think of is how helpful this would be for my mom when I'm trying to tell her how to download and print a document over the phone
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kogus
My first reaction was similar to the reaction I'd have if you told me that cockroaches had learned to unlock doors and stand on their hind legs. But then I thought about accessibility, and the ways this could be used to help technologically illiterate or disabled people, and I thought again.
Do you remember when PCs used to come with a completely soup-to-nuts tutorial that would talk to you like you had never seen a PC before? Things like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ScS4OYDfHE
This kind of baked-in interactivity could really help in a training or disability context.
isoprophlex
Literally unusable as it is. Some minimal extra features this would need:
- rainbow dripping arrows
- angrily pointing arrows
- flame-surrounded text boxes with particle effects
- the ability for the agent to play airhorn.wav at max volume, overriding existing volume or mute settings
I would pay good money for something like this on iPad. It wouldn't even need to be agent-driven, just a big "I want to make a bank transfer" button, that would launch the correct app and guide through the interface.
That would be a godsent for those of us with aging parents.
I'm just as impressed by this as any other LLM-generated project.
priyashunt
Very VERY USABLE FOR old PEOPLE. I would pay good money for something like this on iPad!
vessenes
Interesting. When I read the headline I imagined this would be a sort of thinking trace booster -- letting the agent focus its own attention on different parts of the screen. But this is cool in a different way. I bet agentic harnesses would find it useful for communicating with other agents / themselves as well.
alansaber
This might be goofy, but it underscores that there's potential for more visual agent UIUX than reading off a sidebar/opening modals.
melvinroest
My message to the world is that LLMs should be able to point anything they see in the application they're in or even the whole computer (if you give it that kind of access).
For web apps, WebMCP is a way where you can make a frontend way more discoverable to an LLM rather than that it is going to read all your code. I sometimes create this in my apps at home and sometimes in my apps at work and it makes LLM assistants way more usable. It also helps if they can highlight certain things of a visual.
We humans can do this too on paper. We can point at something, we can highlight something with a marker. Why not give an LLM these capabilities as well?
FinnLobsien
This could be great for documentation. Screenshots in docs are frequently useless because they show me a screen and say "click X" where I still have to search X visually. And I could just to dhat in the other tab I have open.
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alexpotato
> Arrows have existed since roughly the Paleolithic.
Whenever I use web tools that don't have "deep linking" [0], I love to throw out this quote:
"Have we thought about using hyperlinks? They are these SUPER useful things that were invented in Switzerland back in the 1990s."
I want this for the visualization of very difficult to solve application evolution.
This is for problems which have no known solution and are too complicated for an agent to figure out on its own.
My current problem: can alphafold and related tools figure out the function of a gene that so far is unknown.
Think of the monte carlo tree search in the alphago explanation videos.
What if there was visualization that showed how the policy and value models worked so you can spot their flaws.
I want the agent to build an attempt at a solution,
then build a visualization of it,
then run the solution and show me what is it up to.
I want to it pause and explain its state so I can see exactly where and why the solution fails.
satyanash
Am I missing something here?
What terminal / agentic workflows spawn the demonstrated dialogue boxes that require the User to click/reject the action? Aren't most such flows actually inline UIs? And finally, if the core issue is that these confirmation boxes are tied to the terminal that triggered them, which does not autofocus, what's the point of said "big arrow" that is also lurking behind without focus?
If the said "big arrow" automatically gains focus, isn't the real fix here to just make the dialogue boxes themselves gain focus automatically? Both are similarly disruptive anyway.
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dr_kiszonka
I take this opportunity to shame GitHub for completely ignoring the mobile experience in their own Android app. The project's README is pages upon pages of largely blank space. In general, the app does not render mermaid diagrams and does not allow for zooming in, so smaller pictures are unusable. Even if you access pictures directly in a repo's source, you still can't zoom in. iPython Notebooks, which are extremely common in data science, are an "unsupported file type" and are not rendered.
(OP, nice project! Sorry for my rant.)
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ElijahLynn
This is going to be really useful actually, nice work! Can't wait for it to be on Linux too!
m-s-y
Genuine question…
Why does this need to be a skill? Literally just ask Claude to “call out actions in these screenshots with numbered stylized arrows” and you get the same thing without burning tens of thousands of tokens in context.
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TekMol
Swift, Shell, Python and Objective-C
Does one need 4 programming languages to draw something on a mac?
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iandanforth
Pointing is surprisingly overlooked in a lot of tools and I look forward to using this. It reminds me of what I thought was a killer feature on AnyBots telepresense robots, they had a laser you could use to point at things while piloting the robot.
ghm2180
Man, Ive lost count of How many times have I had to repeat this over the phone to my parents; The repo has all the punch lines in the README
> "It's this window, not that one." You have 14 Chrome windows. The agent knows which one it means: --window "Google Chrome:Pull request". It even picks the right tab: --app "Google Chrome:Pull request".
> Remote help. "No, the other gear icon." Point at it instead of describing it.
xyzsparetimexyz
Seems like a pretyu useful way to help infants use desktop computers
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ceroxylon
This is like the alerts in new cars that remind you to check for other passengers when you exit... helpful, but a worrying sign of the times.
LoneRanger1024
I think this makes a lot of sense for tutorials, but permission prompts need different treatment. Besides pointing to a button, the assistant should explain what clicking it will do, so the user can make their own decision.
tilemarch
An arrow on the screen solves “where do I click”; it doesn’t solve “should this happen”
To me this feels like it takes away from what the human is supposed to do (read, understand the consequences of the action, then.. consent or abort)
There is a reason your AI Agent won't automate these clicks for you
user-
Seems great for scammers targeting old people tbh
flr03
That would have been handy 20 years ago to point to that one valid 'Download' button.
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code_duck
This is definitely not something I want, ever. Maybe someone could be helped by it I guess.
pimlottc
Even the example arrows in the first screenshot are wonky and unnaturally weird.
antonyragleap
Clever approach for agent debugging. Visual cues > logs when multiple agents run. How do you handle overlapping annotations?
ForHackernews
"and they keep hitting the same wall, the part that only a human may do"
Grim. If you're just there to click sudo buttons for the bot, you might as well give it root access and be done.
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ex-aws-dude
If you can’t even take the time to understand what you’re clicking why even go through the formality of “approving”
harrouet
There is no limit to burning tokens :)
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amelius
Because AI can paint pelicans on bicycles quite well, and not arrows?
lapestenoire
I love it.
Retr0id
Reminds me of something from Idiocracy (2006)
okasaki
Look at what Windows and Mac users need to mimic a fraction of our power
wartywhoa23
Next up: Spare yourself from formulating any prompts, let our SI agent control our thin client by asking you leading questions that you answer by drooling for yes and picking the nose for no!
rrr_oh_man
HA! Franz!
I remember taking your SEO course many moons ago.
erickhill
I don't know why exactly but something about the arrows feel repulsive and oddly gross.
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emsign
Reminds me of Idiocracy. Are we idiots yet? This is so that AI agents can "guide" a human, directing the meat bot more easily. Telling the meat bot where to click and what to do. The entire "what to think" step isn't even necessary when there is no thought. Because thoughts and decisions are annoying. It's astonishing how much people are already "algorithmically" steered so they don't have to turn on their rational thinking.
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LetsGetTechnicl
Really groundbreaking stuff guys, another $100 billion to you
intended
> big-arrow-on-the-screen (bigarrow): one small macOS CLI and an agent skill. Click-through, never steals the focus, gone by itself. MIT.
I absolutely loathe this phrasing now. I don’t even know what part of it is good or notable.
DonHopkins
Ha ha, I love it! I wrote a pointing hand annotation overlay in PostScript in 1989 for NeWS and the PSIBER Space Deck's Pseudo Scientific Visializer:
% @(#)handy.ps
%
% Handy Pointer
% Copyright (C) 1989.
% By Don Hopkins. (don@brillig.umd.edu)
% All rights reserved.
seems useful for most of the folks that just want to do stuff without going through (over)complicated UIs...
But I feel dumber just by looking at it. If this is how this will look like in 10 years, why to make desktop at all. Just connect mic and speaker to your PC or talk to the phone: 'I need new pair of socks. Order 10 for me. In your favourige color it will be 21.37. Should I charge your credit card?'.
It is not like most of the people enjoy computers. I am pretty sure they do not. They just need them to operate systems they need: government websites, banks, maps, restaurant menus etc. If some agent will do that for them, why bother looking at screen at all? Rich people have it with their own personal assistants.
sehw
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me.
mococa
Another slop project on front page.
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quikroofficial
best
einpoklum
More LLM-authored items about LLM slop.
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nixosbestos
What a time to be a radical centrist - the AI haters seem out of touch, the AI thought leaders can't stop huffing their farts and being condescending, and somehow this is on the top of HN. What a silly time.
VCFundedGenYer
Please don't submit low quality content like this to HN.
Man, just when it seemed like we had it all. Computers were cheap, efficient and powerful. Somehow we figured out a way to accomplish tasks we already had solved except now it's 1000x more expensive, requires the combined electricity of the entire world, is reliant on someone else's rented compute, and now I need a robot to tell me what button to press. What a time to be alive.
I tried to read the "Does it need Screen Recording or Accessibility?" part, but it's slopped to the point I have no clue what it's trying to say. But if it can draw on top of permission prompts, what's stopping it from drawing box that hides the "decline" button and changing the "approve" button copy?
The worst trend in UX in the last decade is the endless "Got it!" popups and feature notifications that distract the user from what they were trying to do.
I don't know why anyone would ever willingly want this.
"It is an arrow, so we spent an unreasonable amount of time on how it looks."
Brilliant. This is exactly the kind of content I seek when I visit Hacker News.
Truly art.
SO the point of this is ... what exactly?
A big arrow to an interface element which ... has a label that explains what it does?
So...a label for a label?
The README is geared towards technical people (complete with the HN screenshot) but when I see a tool like this all I can think of is how helpful this would be for my mom when I'm trying to tell her how to download and print a document over the phone
My first reaction was similar to the reaction I'd have if you told me that cockroaches had learned to unlock doors and stand on their hind legs. But then I thought about accessibility, and the ways this could be used to help technologically illiterate or disabled people, and I thought again.
Do you remember when PCs used to come with a completely soup-to-nuts tutorial that would talk to you like you had never seen a PC before? Things like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ScS4OYDfHE
This kind of baked-in interactivity could really help in a training or disability context.
Literally unusable as it is. Some minimal extra features this would need:
- rainbow dripping arrows
- angrily pointing arrows
- flame-surrounded text boxes with particle effects
- the ability for the agent to play airhorn.wav at max volume, overriding existing volume or mute settings
EDIT: ayy lmao https://github.com/franzenzenhofer/big-arrow-on-the-screen/p...
I would pay good money for something like this on iPad. It wouldn't even need to be agent-driven, just a big "I want to make a bank transfer" button, that would launch the correct app and guide through the interface.
That would be a godsent for those of us with aging parents.
OP has inspired me to write up my tedious thoughts on agent GUIs if of interest https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50022688
I'm just as impressed by this as any other LLM-generated project.
Very VERY USABLE FOR old PEOPLE. I would pay good money for something like this on iPad!
Interesting. When I read the headline I imagined this would be a sort of thinking trace booster -- letting the agent focus its own attention on different parts of the screen. But this is cool in a different way. I bet agentic harnesses would find it useful for communicating with other agents / themselves as well.
This might be goofy, but it underscores that there's potential for more visual agent UIUX than reading off a sidebar/opening modals.
My message to the world is that LLMs should be able to point anything they see in the application they're in or even the whole computer (if you give it that kind of access).
For web apps, WebMCP is a way where you can make a frontend way more discoverable to an LLM rather than that it is going to read all your code. I sometimes create this in my apps at home and sometimes in my apps at work and it makes LLM assistants way more usable. It also helps if they can highlight certain things of a visual.
We humans can do this too on paper. We can point at something, we can highlight something with a marker. Why not give an LLM these capabilities as well?
This could be great for documentation. Screenshots in docs are frequently useless because they show me a screen and say "click X" where I still have to search X visually. And I could just to dhat in the other tab I have open.
> Arrows have existed since roughly the Paleolithic.
Whenever I use web tools that don't have "deep linking" [0], I love to throw out this quote:
"Have we thought about using hyperlinks? They are these SUPER useful things that were invented in Switzerland back in the 1990s."
0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_linking
I want this for the visualization of very difficult to solve application evolution. This is for problems which have no known solution and are too complicated for an agent to figure out on its own. My current problem: can alphafold and related tools figure out the function of a gene that so far is unknown. Think of the monte carlo tree search in the alphago explanation videos. What if there was visualization that showed how the policy and value models worked so you can spot their flaws. I want the agent to build an attempt at a solution, then build a visualization of it, then run the solution and show me what is it up to. I want to it pause and explain its state so I can see exactly where and why the solution fails.
Am I missing something here?
What terminal / agentic workflows spawn the demonstrated dialogue boxes that require the User to click/reject the action? Aren't most such flows actually inline UIs? And finally, if the core issue is that these confirmation boxes are tied to the terminal that triggered them, which does not autofocus, what's the point of said "big arrow" that is also lurking behind without focus?
If the said "big arrow" automatically gains focus, isn't the real fix here to just make the dialogue boxes themselves gain focus automatically? Both are similarly disruptive anyway.
I take this opportunity to shame GitHub for completely ignoring the mobile experience in their own Android app. The project's README is pages upon pages of largely blank space. In general, the app does not render mermaid diagrams and does not allow for zooming in, so smaller pictures are unusable. Even if you access pictures directly in a repo's source, you still can't zoom in. iPython Notebooks, which are extremely common in data science, are an "unsupported file type" and are not rendered.
(OP, nice project! Sorry for my rant.)
This is going to be really useful actually, nice work! Can't wait for it to be on Linux too!
Genuine question…
Why does this need to be a skill? Literally just ask Claude to “call out actions in these screenshots with numbered stylized arrows” and you get the same thing without burning tens of thousands of tokens in context.
Swift, Shell, Python and Objective-C
Does one need 4 programming languages to draw something on a mac?
Pointing is surprisingly overlooked in a lot of tools and I look forward to using this. It reminds me of what I thought was a killer feature on AnyBots telepresense robots, they had a laser you could use to point at things while piloting the robot.
Man, Ive lost count of How many times have I had to repeat this over the phone to my parents; The repo has all the punch lines in the README
> "It's this window, not that one." You have 14 Chrome windows. The agent knows which one it means: --window "Google Chrome:Pull request". It even picks the right tab: --app "Google Chrome:Pull request".
> Remote help. "No, the other gear icon." Point at it instead of describing it.
Seems like a pretyu useful way to help infants use desktop computers
This is like the alerts in new cars that remind you to check for other passengers when you exit... helpful, but a worrying sign of the times.
I think this makes a lot of sense for tutorials, but permission prompts need different treatment. Besides pointing to a button, the assistant should explain what clicking it will do, so the user can make their own decision.
An arrow on the screen solves “where do I click”; it doesn’t solve “should this happen”
To me this feels like it takes away from what the human is supposed to do (read, understand the consequences of the action, then.. consent or abort)
There is a reason your AI Agent won't automate these clicks for you
Seems great for scammers targeting old people tbh
That would have been handy 20 years ago to point to that one valid 'Download' button.
This is definitely not something I want, ever. Maybe someone could be helped by it I guess.
Even the example arrows in the first screenshot are wonky and unnaturally weird.
Clever approach for agent debugging. Visual cues > logs when multiple agents run. How do you handle overlapping annotations?
"and they keep hitting the same wall, the part that only a human may do"
Grim. If you're just there to click sudo buttons for the bot, you might as well give it root access and be done.
If you can’t even take the time to understand what you’re clicking why even go through the formality of “approving”
There is no limit to burning tokens :)
Because AI can paint pelicans on bicycles quite well, and not arrows?
I love it.
Reminds me of something from Idiocracy (2006)
Look at what Windows and Mac users need to mimic a fraction of our power
Next up: Spare yourself from formulating any prompts, let our SI agent control our thin client by asking you leading questions that you answer by drooling for yes and picking the nose for no!
HA! Franz!
I remember taking your SEO course many moons ago.
I don't know why exactly but something about the arrows feel repulsive and oddly gross.
Reminds me of Idiocracy. Are we idiots yet? This is so that AI agents can "guide" a human, directing the meat bot more easily. Telling the meat bot where to click and what to do. The entire "what to think" step isn't even necessary when there is no thought. Because thoughts and decisions are annoying. It's astonishing how much people are already "algorithmically" steered so they don't have to turn on their rational thinking.
Really groundbreaking stuff guys, another $100 billion to you
> big-arrow-on-the-screen (bigarrow): one small macOS CLI and an agent skill. Click-through, never steals the focus, gone by itself. MIT.
I absolutely loathe this phrasing now. I don’t even know what part of it is good or notable.
Ha ha, I love it! I wrote a pointing hand annotation overlay in PostScript in 1989 for NeWS and the PSIBER Space Deck's Pseudo Scientific Visializer:
https://donhopkins.com/home/archive/psiber/cyber/pointer.psPSIBER Space Deck and Pseudo Scientific Visualizer Demo:
https://youtu.be/_fqCeuue5Ac?t=213
The Shape of PSIBER Space: PostScript Interactive Bug Eradication Routines — October 1989:
https://medium.com/@donhopkins/the-shape-of-psiber-space-oct...
I love this
seems useful for most of the folks that just want to do stuff without going through (over)complicated UIs...
But I feel dumber just by looking at it. If this is how this will look like in 10 years, why to make desktop at all. Just connect mic and speaker to your PC or talk to the phone: 'I need new pair of socks. Order 10 for me. In your favourige color it will be 21.37. Should I charge your credit card?'.
It is not like most of the people enjoy computers. I am pretty sure they do not. They just need them to operate systems they need: government websites, banks, maps, restaurant menus etc. If some agent will do that for them, why bother looking at screen at all? Rich people have it with their own personal assistants.
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me.
Another slop project on front page.
best
More LLM-authored items about LLM slop.
What a time to be a radical centrist - the AI haters seem out of touch, the AI thought leaders can't stop huffing their farts and being condescending, and somehow this is on the top of HN. What a silly time.
Please don't submit low quality content like this to HN.