It also doesn&#x27;t seem to be enforced on my Movistar connection, which means the single biggest ISP is opting out?

I live in Spain and can still enjoy access to this site. This is enforced by major ISPs (Vodafone among others), so anyone sane just opts for a local ISP (if they have a choice)

I find it far more ironic that they are called Reclaim the Internet.I am dating myself, but I remember the Internet. It’s rather ironic too that the actual Internet, literal and figuratively free internet, was always doomed from the start, just like AI is effectively doomed in terms of it being some kind of productivity tool or amazing thing you can use to build your own thing, because the logical conclusion is very bad for most people, including the technorati types here that think themselves above it and immune.If you’re shocked and surprised by the way there Internet was maneuvered into the surveillance prison Flock made itself the poster child of at the hands of Mr Langley, take that trajectory and lay it over AI, but only at exponential rates. You don’t have to believe me, it won’t matter either way, it’s happening, short of the Soviet style implosion of the “American” empire.Maybe once the planet has been made uninhabitable to biological life there will be an AI robot cybernetic splinter group trying to “reclaim humanity”.

Let me add a few more layers just for some fun and profit :-DHere[0] is an archive.org page which archives an archive.is page which archives the original article about internet censorship of an archive site that might require an archive of an archive site to read (given that people of spain cant now view archive.is in the first place or might have some difficulties doing so)[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20260920074416&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;serjaimelannister.github.io&#x2F;htmlpipe&#x2F;?https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ppng.io&#x2F;2YdN9_3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20260920074416&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;serjaimel...</a>(If someone is perhaps interested and wants to see me talk more about what this is, then please read the blogpost that I had made for more info: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;smileplease.mataroa.blog&#x2F;blog&#x2F;htmlpipe-and-how-we-can-use-it-for-archive&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;smileplease.mataroa.blog&#x2F;blog&#x2F;htmlpipe-and-how-we-ca...</a>)

This is so funny.An article about internet censorship of an archive site that requires an archive site to read!That’s Brilliant! :D

This is working fine for me in spain so far....

Feel free to link the whole article through a different site

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20260920061809&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;reclaimthenet.org&#x2F;spain-blocks-archive-today-and-mirrors" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20260920061809&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;reclaimth...</a>Vs<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;2YdN9" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;2YdN9</a>One has paywall, one doesn&#x27;t...Sorry man, people will keep DDoSing some random guy&#x27;s blog. It&#x27;s a service problem lol

”archive dot is” is a part of the same DDoS network of sites. Don’t use them!

&gt; &quot;502 Bad Gateway&quot; (I&#x27;m in Spain)Here you go, this should work: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20260920074416&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;serjaimelannister.github.io&#x2F;htmlpipe&#x2F;?https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ppng.io&#x2F;2YdN9_3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20260920074416&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;serjaimel...</a>(an archive.org page which archives an archive.is page, might take some time to load though)(this uses htmlpipe, something I have made :-D)

Works fine for me, also Spain, Vodafone as the ISP.Edit: eeh, that&#x27;s a different site than the one mentioned by the submission, why it wouldn&#x27;t work?Edit2: Also, the error is wrong and server-side. If your ISP is trying to block the website, you&#x27;ll get either a tls error that the certificate isn&#x27;t matching, or for non-https sites you get redirected to the scary &quot;You&#x27;re contributing to something illegal blah blah&quot;.

&quot;502 Bad Gateway&quot; (I&#x27;m in Spain)

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;2YdN9" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;2YdN9</a>

Fun fact I learned in Spain recently. They block Cloudflare Edge IPs during soccer games. Took me a long time to figure out why I was having intermittent outages.

Apparently all of south western europe blocks half the internet in the name of football. Besides Spain there&#x27;s also Italy, France, Portugal and surprisingly the UK somewhat.

That knowledge is already available and generally people don’t build bombs or bioweapons. Otherwise they could still go to university and learn all that if they so wish

Idealistically, I agree with access to information. But how do you square that (and I don’t have a solution) with the proliferation of misinformation used to manipulate the population or the access to dangerous information such as building bombs and bio weapons?

Access to information feels to me like a human right. Blocking that by any means (legal blockade, price unrealistic high) feels like an infringement on a Human Right.I know this isn’t the way the world works yet, but a Human can dream.

That&#x27;s not a reason to censor it at the state level.

I understand it to be a stand off between western special services on behalf of the media empires, and some random russian… criminals? their own intelligence or adjacent criminals? Just randos on a mission?

This is a welcome development.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidance" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan...</a>

&gt; Re: La Liga&#x27;s censorship, it isn&#x27;t promoted by the government but by La Liga itself with the collaboration of the largest ISP, Telefónica&#x2F;MovistarIt is maybe worth looking at the overlap between La Liga &#x2F; Movistar directors, and former government officials. The Venn diagram has more overlap that one would like to see

Right. First case was performed by the executive branch of the State. Second one by the justice branch.

This censorship mechanism comes from 2011, when it was created under the Spanish Socialist Party&#x27;s government lead by Zapatero. There was a lot of backlash, but the Intellectual Property Comission (also known as &quot;Comisión Sinde&quot;) was never dissolved under the next governments&#x27; rules.Re: La Liga&#x27;s censorship, it isn&#x27;t promoted by the government but by La Liga itself with the collaboration of the largest ISP, Telefónica&#x2F;Movistar. Movistar used one of the subsidiaries to denounce themselves and other IPs so they would reach a friendly agreement (again, with themselves) that the judge considered enough to enforce the current Cloudflare blocks.

The attempts to end anonimity and to end cash flow are ideological and pretty surely did not come from the USA.

It started around 2008 when they had one of the most permissive landscapes in Europe with pressure by the US using the Special 301 whatchlist. Then Obama increased the pressure with Zapatero and after a couple of tries the timeline you describe was set in motion.Thanks MPAA and RIAA as usual.

Spain did not got hit by WW2 cause it was absolutely destroyed by a civil war beginning 1936. After that a dictatorship of 40 years and when it opened all industry got hit cause it was heavily protected and could not compete in open markets, add to that most of the working industries were cheaply sold to friends of the dictatorship who were, and some of them still are, in power positions.

&gt; a distant sixth in economic size behind even Russia.By what metric? Because Spain is sixth also by population, and I have the feeling you are using total GDP as scale. Using that, China is the richest economy, and India is the third richest country in the world. Meanwhile Switzerland and Singapore (really rich in reallity) are below 30th, and below Nigeria or Pakistan.By per capita GDP we Spain are not even 6th, because Liechtenstein, Switzerland, Monaco, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Ireland... are above us and also above Germany, UK or France.

You mean Spain the fastest growing European country by many metrics? Not sure, we&#x27;re here, been chilling all summer, time to get back to work now :) What happened to the country you live in?

According to GDP per capita, Spain is below Italy, but above Portugal. Has its position changed much over the last century? I would be interested to see a measure of that, but how far back is it feasible to estimate GDP per capita?I don&#x27;t know how Spain was affected by WW2, but they had a very nasty civil war just before WW2. I&#x27;m not sure if that&#x27;s relevant to GDP per capita, though, because a war can sometimes improve the economy by leading to the overflow of a system in which progress is blocked by a relatively rich ruling class.

What happened to Spain? They didn’t get hit by WW2 and yet…are a distant sixth in economic size behind even Russia.

Modern Spain is having patchy record with digital age. Earlier:1. Blocked Telegram with a court order, reinstituted after public backslash2. Blocks Internet and Cloudflare during La Liga matches3. Prime minister Pedro Sanchez from Spanish Socialist Workers’ Party (PSOE) has demanded the end of anonymity in InternetThey say it is to protect the kids, but likely it is to find out who watches La Liga without a premium subscription.

Since a few months archive.is is unstable regardless of where I connect from, Spain or not. Are others not seeing the same thing? Maybe 20% of the times I try to use it the servers aren&#x27;t responding.

Since a few months archive.is is &quot;unstable&quot; from Spain. I thought the reason is the ISP but sometimes by just reloading it works...
Can anybody shed some light?

At the bottom of that page FYI -&quot;Note: archive.org, or web.archive.org, run by the Internet Archive and the most-used web archive on Wikipedia, is uninvolved with and entirely separate from archive.today. Please keep using archive.org&quot;

They are the only reliable way for me to read proper news in Economist &#x2F; FT &#x2F; WSJ &#x2F; WashingtonPost etc...Well except paying $300 a month I guess.

Avoid those archive sites like the plague. They are not trustworthy.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidance" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan...</a>

Does archive.is have problems? I tried this article with it and it didn&#x27;t work:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;entrepreneurship&#x2F;burned-out-and-unemployed-young-people-in-china-are-launching-ai-startups-c5ebcdc3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;entrepreneurship&#x2F;burned-out-and...</a>Error: Invalid InterceptionId.

Did they find a La Liga game on it or something?

I&#x27;d built something which can allow people to archive archive.is pages on archive.org.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;smileplease.mataroa.blog&#x2F;blog&#x2F;htmlpipe-and-how-we-can-use-it-for-archive&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;smileplease.mataroa.blog&#x2F;blog&#x2F;htmlpipe-and-how-we-ca...</a>This could perhaps be used for this purpose.I have submitted it on hackernews once again: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=49773417">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=49773417</a>(Previously: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=47574562">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=47574562</a>)

Are they not communists like most of HN?

Spain Orders Blocks on Archive.today and Its Mirrors