The scariest part of the interaction is the first video at https://x.ai/bot where the bot just snags your creds from the browser and takes over. So many people are going to give x all their data and creds.
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agnosticmantis
We need more and stronger open source/weight models considering how deeply and intimately these bots are going to be integrated in our lives.
I hope that Dario Amodei fails in his quest to regulate open models out of existence to line his pocket under the guise of safety. Amodei/anthropic will end up being the most harmful force in the next few decades where progress in AI is concerned.
I hope people realize sooner than later that this is a replay of early Microsoft vs open source situation and Amodei is the new Gates on a crusade against open source/Linux.
XCSme
The eternal fight between bots and anti-bot systems.
The difference now is that big companies themselves promote/offer bots, but they also don't like to be scraped and use captchas.
What do we do now? Is it allowed to use automated tools to interact with any system? Is it allowed to scrape data? Are there any laws for this?
If we do things manually it is ok, but not if we use a bot?
Confusing (legal) times...
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dylanhouli
I feel like we'd be better off if we just stopped at chatbots...why are we so eager to make the internet even more botted
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stillpointlab
This is obviously the future, where this will all end up. But just like when I saw the demos for Google's "AI build the interface dynamically", I wonder how much of the demo actually translates to real usage.
One thing that this highlights for me even more than before is that having accounts for my bots is what I really want. I want SaaS providers to catch up to bot use. They need their own accounts on a lot of these services and per-seat pricing works against this.
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drop_star
So OpenClaw that steals your data and profiles you for the US gov. No thanks.
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whimsicalism
How do they stop providers (like Amazon, etc.) from detecting and blocking these agents if they are running on cloud? I know that openai wasn't able to avoid this which is why they moved to 'computer use' on your local machine.
I almost wonder if this is a place where SpaceX, as an internet provider through starlink, has a unique advantage because websites are unable to block their networking as it could be residential starlink consumers.
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impulser_
The problem these model providers have now is there software is basically useless.
Tell me one reason why I would use this at my company? I basically have to bet on Grok being the best models for this.
Or I can use an open source version and use whatever model I want.
You see this with coding agents, everyone used Claude Code and then realized holy shit this is expensive and now use open source agents and they can use open source models and cut costs.
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wiradikusuma
From FAQ: How is Grok Bot different from AI assistants? Bots have their own computer, so they can work inside your apps and tools. They also run in parallel, 24/7, even when your laptop is closed.
How does it work with login-walled sites like LinkedIn then? And what does "own computer" mean? X provisions a "private cloud" a'la Apple for your Bot?
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blahblaher
don't use the hitler bot please and thank you.
damsta
Does it have access to X API? One limitation in CC, Codex etc. is that they don't have access to X which sometimes has an answer not available via their search providers.
kerv
Are there any opensource app/system that directly competes with a solution like this?
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wraptile
I used to think if all else fails I'd take the path of a Cynic and retire in a giant vase. I'm not quite sure anymore. If you're done with society and the world you might as well prompt inject from a beach somewhere, and we're so not ready for this.
mrtksn
Interesting how everyone seems to be following OpenAI on UX. When I used Antigravity and they suddenly switched to Codex type UI I was very annoyed because I kept checking if this is Codex or Antigravity.
Either way, I still don't think that computer use is solved. It worked horribly on Codex and Antigravity the last time I tried. Maybe I was doing something wrong.
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jujube3
Grok lobster! (Rock lobster music starts playing)
madebywelch
My initial impression is strong: Agent-to-Agent comms are clearly a first-class citizen of this tech. There's a cohesion that's palpable. Maybe it just fits my workflow better than other tools. I have some routines set up for tomorrow morning that will tell me if the juice is worth the squeeze.
48% weekly usage left after 3 hours of experimenting, tough.
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arjie
This looks amazing. Lots of good ideas here. The human in the loop story is quite good here. I will shamelessly lift it for myself.
virgildotcodes
This is basically openclaw with browser access, or am I missing something?
rw2
how does this compare to Hermes which is much cheaper?
johndhi
Do you have to pay the companies for a second login for the bot...?
indigodaddy
This seems like a disaster waiting to happen
h14h
I've already been doing something very similar to this with OpenClaw, where I set up multiple different Telegram bots each with different system prompts to tune their personalty & behavior.
It's not trivial to do, and I never managed to get bot-to-bot communication working. Even with my janky setup, the experience is honestly pretty great. Grok Bot simplifies the setup for this about as far as I imagine is possible, and frankly it's a pretty slick experience.
I fully expect this paradigm to catch on quickly.
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ls612
So this is a Hermes Agent plus a credential proxy it sounds like?
chaostheory
It's a great idea, but the problem is with the latest versions of Grok. It's like xAI copied Google's Gemini. Grok now minimizes its effort. Like Gemini "Pro", it's become a flash model that provides shallow answers quickly.
archagon
Here's some totally normal stuff that Grok’s owner has been posting recently:
* "Anyone who opposes remigration is a traitor"
* "She is a traitor to the West, plain and simple" (in reference to his recent interviewer)
* "Deal with traitors before invaders. They are committing high treason."
* "First the traitors, then the invaders" (screenshot from Citizen Vigilante pointing gun at camera)
Yes sirree: just a completely normal tech product without any asterisks.
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Computer0
I am unsure if this is the end all be all but it appears preferable to claude code desktop to me.
I think perhaps I won't trust anything that ever gets released by this company, likely in perpetuity.
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surprisetalk
This seems like a very clever product move from X.ai
I wonder if they're going to try and compete against Slack with X.com chat?
WillMorr
I'm a little baffled by this, it's basically like the remote Claude instances I already use every day except it has absolutely no safeguards? If I wanted to make a claude could post to linkedin it would be like one prompt to spin that with playwright. Like you can just have persistent Claude code sessions, if you aren't cost sensitive you can just keep restarting the session whenever.
They're clearly targeting less technical users but in exchange are asking you to upload every login you have to Elon's servers which is an insane thing to do imo. What a world where people are giving their Instagram sign in to the bot formerly known as mechahitler.
theahura
in case you are interested in ~this for your team, but dont want to either be vendor-locked to grok or give mecha-hitler extra money, consider trying what we've been building at https://noriagentic.com/ (or any of the other startups working in the same space)
The scariest part of the interaction is the first video at https://x.ai/bot where the bot just snags your creds from the browser and takes over. So many people are going to give x all their data and creds.
We need more and stronger open source/weight models considering how deeply and intimately these bots are going to be integrated in our lives.
I hope that Dario Amodei fails in his quest to regulate open models out of existence to line his pocket under the guise of safety. Amodei/anthropic will end up being the most harmful force in the next few decades where progress in AI is concerned.
I hope people realize sooner than later that this is a replay of early Microsoft vs open source situation and Amodei is the new Gates on a crusade against open source/Linux.
The eternal fight between bots and anti-bot systems.
The difference now is that big companies themselves promote/offer bots, but they also don't like to be scraped and use captchas.
What do we do now? Is it allowed to use automated tools to interact with any system? Is it allowed to scrape data? Are there any laws for this?
If we do things manually it is ok, but not if we use a bot?
Confusing (legal) times...
I feel like we'd be better off if we just stopped at chatbots...why are we so eager to make the internet even more botted
This is obviously the future, where this will all end up. But just like when I saw the demos for Google's "AI build the interface dynamically", I wonder how much of the demo actually translates to real usage.
One thing that this highlights for me even more than before is that having accounts for my bots is what I really want. I want SaaS providers to catch up to bot use. They need their own accounts on a lot of these services and per-seat pricing works against this.
So OpenClaw that steals your data and profiles you for the US gov. No thanks.
How do they stop providers (like Amazon, etc.) from detecting and blocking these agents if they are running on cloud? I know that openai wasn't able to avoid this which is why they moved to 'computer use' on your local machine.
I almost wonder if this is a place where SpaceX, as an internet provider through starlink, has a unique advantage because websites are unable to block their networking as it could be residential starlink consumers.
The problem these model providers have now is there software is basically useless.
Tell me one reason why I would use this at my company? I basically have to bet on Grok being the best models for this.
Or I can use an open source version and use whatever model I want.
You see this with coding agents, everyone used Claude Code and then realized holy shit this is expensive and now use open source agents and they can use open source models and cut costs.
From FAQ: How is Grok Bot different from AI assistants? Bots have their own computer, so they can work inside your apps and tools. They also run in parallel, 24/7, even when your laptop is closed.
How does it work with login-walled sites like LinkedIn then? And what does "own computer" mean? X provisions a "private cloud" a'la Apple for your Bot?
don't use the hitler bot please and thank you.
Does it have access to X API? One limitation in CC, Codex etc. is that they don't have access to X which sometimes has an answer not available via their search providers.
Are there any opensource app/system that directly competes with a solution like this?
I used to think if all else fails I'd take the path of a Cynic and retire in a giant vase. I'm not quite sure anymore. If you're done with society and the world you might as well prompt inject from a beach somewhere, and we're so not ready for this.
Interesting how everyone seems to be following OpenAI on UX. When I used Antigravity and they suddenly switched to Codex type UI I was very annoyed because I kept checking if this is Codex or Antigravity.
Either way, I still don't think that computer use is solved. It worked horribly on Codex and Antigravity the last time I tried. Maybe I was doing something wrong.
Grok lobster! (Rock lobster music starts playing)
My initial impression is strong: Agent-to-Agent comms are clearly a first-class citizen of this tech. There's a cohesion that's palpable. Maybe it just fits my workflow better than other tools. I have some routines set up for tomorrow morning that will tell me if the juice is worth the squeeze.
48% weekly usage left after 3 hours of experimenting, tough.
This looks amazing. Lots of good ideas here. The human in the loop story is quite good here. I will shamelessly lift it for myself.
This is basically openclaw with browser access, or am I missing something?
how does this compare to Hermes which is much cheaper?
Do you have to pay the companies for a second login for the bot...?
This seems like a disaster waiting to happen
I've already been doing something very similar to this with OpenClaw, where I set up multiple different Telegram bots each with different system prompts to tune their personalty & behavior.
It's not trivial to do, and I never managed to get bot-to-bot communication working. Even with my janky setup, the experience is honestly pretty great. Grok Bot simplifies the setup for this about as far as I imagine is possible, and frankly it's a pretty slick experience.
I fully expect this paradigm to catch on quickly.
So this is a Hermes Agent plus a credential proxy it sounds like?
It's a great idea, but the problem is with the latest versions of Grok. It's like xAI copied Google's Gemini. Grok now minimizes its effort. Like Gemini "Pro", it's become a flash model that provides shallow answers quickly.
Here's some totally normal stuff that Grok’s owner has been posting recently:
* "Anyone who opposes remigration is a traitor"
* "She is a traitor to the West, plain and simple" (in reference to his recent interviewer)
* "Deal with traitors before invaders. They are committing high treason."
* "First the traitors, then the invaders" (screenshot from Citizen Vigilante pointing gun at camera)
Yes sirree: just a completely normal tech product without any asterisks.
I am unsure if this is the end all be all but it appears preferable to claude code desktop to me.
they probably should kill the grok branding...
Dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49261532#49263241.
Dang - might be worth merging these two.
I think perhaps I won't trust anything that ever gets released by this company, likely in perpetuity.
This seems like a very clever product move from X.ai
I wonder if they're going to try and compete against Slack with X.com chat?
I'm a little baffled by this, it's basically like the remote Claude instances I already use every day except it has absolutely no safeguards? If I wanted to make a claude could post to linkedin it would be like one prompt to spin that with playwright. Like you can just have persistent Claude code sessions, if you aren't cost sensitive you can just keep restarting the session whenever.
They're clearly targeting less technical users but in exchange are asking you to upload every login you have to Elon's servers which is an insane thing to do imo. What a world where people are giving their Instagram sign in to the bot formerly known as mechahitler.
in case you are interested in ~this for your team, but dont want to either be vendor-locked to grok or give mecha-hitler extra money, consider trying what we've been building at https://noriagentic.com/ (or any of the other startups working in the same space)