I have a Flipper Zero and these guys made a great tool, so I clicked this headline because it said "we need your help". After scrolling two pages I couldn't find what they need my help with, though. I scrolled to the end and couldn't find it there either. If I'm being honest, I like their stuff but not enough to dig through 8 pages of content to find out what helping means.

This looks flippin' amazing, but also like the definition of project scope creep. I imagine it will be brilliant, unaffordable, surprisingly cheap, terrible and awesome (in both senses of the word) all at the same time. 3GPP really needs a light shining through it.

I sincerely hope I work out a way of getting someone else to buy the thing for me. And the push towards all in-tree source is fantastic. Genuinely impressed.

The RK3576 is a really interesting/versatile chip and it is awesome to see major effort going into baking full support into the linux kernel. I could see it opening up a ton of doors for awesome FOSS hardware projects w/ AI accelerated workloads.

One idea I have (but realistically will probably never build) is an e-ink notepad with a microphone that I can ask to generate custom note-taking templates. As a niche example, I'm imagining I'm at a baseball game and I can tell my tablet "hey give me a baseball scorecard template" only for it to generate one for me. Then if there are a ton of subs or the game goes super long, I can modify the template in place with follow-up commands like "add more rows for player substitutions" or "make it support up to twelve innings".

I imagine having a chip like the RK3576 fully supported in the linux kernel could make building a device like this much much easier.

I really, really, really love this concept. I think there is SOME feature creep, but it does seem more or less scoped well to IP-type protocols.

However, I don't think they need to be prioritizing the local AI features, which are cool...but models get far smarter when you run them on a proper Mac/external GPU vs a small battery powered Flipper device. I think it might be helpful on the go, in the field, etc, but the usability with no dedicated keyboard will be rather poor.

However, I think they should keep focusing on the Zero for a possible Zero 2 to match the capabilities of this One device. I love my Zero, but I think it is missing key features like full support for garage door and RFID rolling codes, and some other protocols. The WiFi dev board is very limited, and there is no simple way to capture/playback BLE remotes IIRC. Of course, it depends on whether you consider BLE to be layer 0 or layer 1.

Sounds like the second system effect. (The Mythical Man Month)

First one is simple and focused, the second one tries to be & do everything. And frequently never ships.

Can someone explain why Flipper is making these decisions, or what advantages Flipper One has vs a Flipper Zero, RPI, and Linux machine?

The (EDIT2: maybe not) AI writing doesn’t help.

EDIT: looking more, it seems like the goal is to be a fun project like Playdate, except a Linux multi-tool instead of game console. Which is actually great, a step towards healing today’s corporatized tech culture. It’s unfortunate that the website non-explains this with AI and marketing speak.

EDIT2: I wrote too soon, AI is making me too cynical. My only remaining critique is that they explain the motive instead of just stating features and repeating “we’re doing something exciting and important [for reasons not really explained]”

This lacks the sharp idea the Zero had. I have the feeling that in order to do something different, and not an evolution, the result will be borderline useless: a portable ARM computer with Wifi / satellite connection / ... And, then? What I can do with it? The evolution that I could like is a Zero with more CPU power, SDR and LoRa. Then let's implement all the cool protocols that it is possible to implement.

>We say "truly open" because the current state of ARM Linux is depressing. Every vendor bolts on their own custom mess: closed boot blobs, vendor-specific patches, "board support packages" that nobody outside the chip maker can really understand. You can no longer just read the specs and understand how computers work — you can only learn the workarounds for one specific chip with one specific BSP. We're sick of this ourselves, and we don't want to be part of the problem by shipping yet another product that just adds to the mess.

Too true, and one of the reason I like to use x86 for Linux when I can. So glad to see them push for this!

I'd be more enthusiastic if they hadn't left the flipper zero community in the lurch and basically abandoned it over the last year (and more obvious in the last 6 months). A new product doesn't mean as much when the business behind it doesn't demonstrate follow through in their first product (even something as simple as giving the community the ability to merge PRs or do releases of bugfixes).

Cool as they are (very), I'm not enthusiastic about the Flipper Zero form factor, nor the Flipper One's, though I understand that's because I'm not their target audience.

However, I applaud their goal of opening up things in the ARM world. I'm still bitter after failing to use and having to discard an Arduino Giga. I wanted it because of its juicy CPU, but boy ARM hates hackers with small pockets. STM32CubeProgrammer will raise its nose in disdain if you do not use one of the purebreed and expensive dongles it approves. For my current project, I'm honestly considering to link several ESP32-xx as if I were crafting an old Nintendo, even if a single Cortex M7 would more than have enough power for what I need.

Seems like a branding mistake to me. This new device doesn't target the same group of customers that the Flipper Zero did, so it will be much harder for them to market it effectively, since the first device is already famous enough that people know them for that market.

It's interesting that the d-pad is on the right and the mouse pad on the left. I would have thought they'd be flipped, and indeed that's how it was in the prototype picture. I'm curious as to the reasoning for the change, though I don't know anything about the UI.

Also, what's a "survival desktop"? I've never heard that term and I couldn't find it used elsewhere.

I had a non-tech acquaintance mention he got called to his son's school because his kid "got busted" with "a hacking device". Based my friend's vague description, it must have been a Flipper Zero. The kid was initially threatened with expulsion but I assume someone from the school with a clue got involved and it was knocked down to a 3 day suspension. Still excessive but a survivable lesson.

So, if you have kids just be aware that while we all know these are just SBCs with some neat SDR peripherals, the first Google hit a school administrator sees may be some mainstream media article with a click-bait headline.

Instead of re-inventing Linux distributions for FlipperOS on top of Debian. They should just choose to base it on NixOS which already has these "profiles" as a built-in feature called "Specializations" https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/Specialisation

If you have to spend a few paragraphs explaining that One isn't a replacement for Zero - they they are different classes of product, you know that your product naming is a problem,

Most articles I click on in the HN homepage turn out to be written by AI, judging from the phrasing. I'm weirded out by the fact that people don't seem to find it important to write their own thoughts down. The writing in TFA is clearly supervised by a human, but still, the wording is not human at all.

Does anyone know why the binary blobs cannot be reverse engineered in the age of AI and recompiled to closely match the original source? Is it for legal reasons? Is it firmware signatures?

This makes me think of "The homer" from the Simpsons[1]. The scope creep is insane. But in this case, I think I may be homer. I may buy this, and feel like a glutton for doing so.

Living in Japan I've avoided Flipper Zero due to the law basically saying "It is illegal to own tools primarily used for crime" (think lockpicks, etc). With Flipper Zero primarily being a RFID hacking tool, you are one officer knowing what it is and considering it a tool for crime away from being locked up - at least for the 21 days they get while they investigate you.

Now Flipper One seems like something probably legal.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPc-VEqBPHI

I just want them to finally ship Busy Bar https://busy.app/

Flipper Zero is great. I would have built a Flipper 0.1 first, but I see why they are doing this.

Flipper One's hardware designs and constraints are very compelling. I would have preferred an additional physical switch to disable all emissions.

That said, if they can pull of the initial software stack it will be a strong platform for a broad set of use cases.

"Build the most open and best-documented ARM computer in the world, with full mainline Linux kernel support." ... "the HDMI port is proprietary and requires licensing fees"

Are they upstreaming opensource HDMI 2.1 support? I mean I'm sure they're not, since they paid the toll, just feels they're not totally sticking to their guns. It's the kind of choice that shows if you really mean what you say. The more that won't license, the better chance of actually getting open drivers for common technology.

None of this takes away from how awesome this looks. Very excited by all this.

Cool, but I think they're holding themselves back with that weird form-factor. I would've preferred if they'd included a full QWERTY keyboard, like the the GPD Pocket 4[1] or the GPD Win Mini. With a proper keyboard, I could write code on the go, easily edit files, navigate a terminal and mess with things... and do so much more in general.

Also, 8GB RAM is barely enough these days, whereas the GPD comes with upto 64GB RAM - and an X86 CPU too, which means you can run your favorite Linux distro and all your apps without any compatibility issues.

I really don't see a reason why I should buy the Flipper One.

https://gpdstore.net/gpd-pocket-4/

Why not a Yocto project for the software ? Embedded linux = Yocto or buildroot , not yet another debian fork. Same with the UI ; why creating a new stock when an ImGUI process with a DRM back-end is enough for a launcher

> So people end up running full desktop environments (KDE, GNOME, etc.) squeezed onto a tiny 7" touchscreen. It's miserable.

to add on to this: you can definitely make great UI's for small screens and unconventional controls -- Playdate [1] builds their UI around a physical crank on the device, and it feels fun to use it :)

[1] https://play.date/

Getting rid of SDR, nfc and RFID hardware is a big mistake IMO.

Doesn't look like this is gonna be cheap, so getting rid of 20USD worth of hardware that previous generation was known for doesn't make sense

I don't get the user case? What should I do with this that is not possible with a raspberry pi? The Flipper Zero was different and clear. This is not for me.

I want it but I do not need it.

Really worried about the pricing, will make or break.

I hope they let you disable the 6ghz wifi easily as Wifi 6E without the band steering of wifi 7 just gives you low range 6ghz which is a waste on a device that probably doesn’t need a high speed connection.

Love my flipper zero!

Wow. That really doesn’t know what it is.

Love the idea of a hackable ethernet tool though.

What about LoRa (Long Range)? that would be perfect for the Flipper Zero!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LoRa

I love the Tux with mainland China military helmet picture. please opensource too

> the current state of ARM Linux is depressing. Every vendor bolts on their own custom mess: closed boot blobs, vendor-specific patches, "board support packages" that nobody outside the chip maker can really understand

Fixing this is a noble goal but won't sell a lot of devices by itself. And it will only fix the one specific hardware configuration used by Flipper. This seems to be the only interesting part of the project and the actual hardware is otherwise completely uninteresting. Not sure how they expect to succeed here.

I've said a bunch of times that I really really wish that Pebble had gotten a chance to finish the Pebble Core:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/getpebble/pebble-2-time...

This reminds me of that in a good way – a small Linux device that doesn't have to maintain a screen all the time (power) or focus on real-time but has physical buttons, connectivity, a microphone and a sealed case so it can be thrown in your pocket would be... an absolute dream.

Counter to some others here, I would buy this at whatever cost if it lived up to that intent!

I just want to say I haven't read a blog post with that slicked design in a very long time, refreshing to see, and cool project, albeit niche.

> We're opening up the development process and asking the community for help.

Except they themselves were never around to "help" their own community, instead opting to tear down creators of competitor devices and influencers who they did not like instead of trying to work with anyone. Many 3rd party board makers and app contributors could have been spotlighted, but it was all ignored over the years. Now they just want to once again extract free labor.

No binary blobs. Not even cellular and wifi?

Is a DDR trainer really that hard to write?

I imagine you dump all the config registers of a running system, and then adjust everything that looks like some timing or drive strength parameter upwards till it stops working properly, downwards till it stops working, and then choose a middle value.

Do that repeatedly for every parameter pre-boot, and then use that config. Perhaps redo that every few hours or when the temperature changes.

The 'Layers' comparison image suggests that there would be no Bluetooth in the Flipper One. I would have thought that would still be very useful in 'Layer One'?

“The two processors communicate over a set of interfaces we call the Interconnect: SPI carries the framebuffer to the MCU for display output”

Even with peripheral DMA this idea sounds terrifying.

I would REALLY like to see the Piratebox project added into this amazing all in one device.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PirateBox

@zhovner, would you consider reverse engineering of the blobs as a temporary measure? in 2026 it's very doable and scales

If I wanted all of that, at that size, I would just use a laptop with USB/PCIe/M.2 expansions. I don't really care about openness, I care about functionality (and not having to carry extra stuff around)

Curious about the design choice. Why not use the TI parts with integrated microcontrollers rather than two separate chips? Or even a FPGA with integrated ARM9 like the Zynq family?

for reference, Flipper Zero was $199.

does anyone know how much they're thinking for Flipper One?

This is like a combination of a Sony Walkman meets Rasberry PI meets the prepper in me. Perfect.

Do all closed blobs need to be open? Why pick RK3567 when RK3562 is already supported in Debian?

UK registered company (Flipper Technologies Ltd), UK HQ (SE10 0AX), US (Delaware) registered front (Flipper Devices Inc)

> https://flipper.net/pages/warranty-policy warranty covers defects in materials and workmanship for a period of one (1) year

but not complying with either UK nor EU warranty laws.

https://flipper.net/pages/b2b-and-tax-exemption-policy

and unable to B2B in EU/UK? Will any of my money go to russia when buying Flipper One?

I have read the whole thing, and I'm not sure what you would build with it. Can anyone give me some examples? I'm genuinely curious.

It sounds great but I don’t know, at this point I will just use my laptop, it isn’t as small and portable like zero, and it isn’t as flexible and powerful as a laptop.

looks amazing. i just hope it doesn't cost a fortune. the portable hdmi alone makes it worth it to me.

I’m in their target market in 3 to 4 ways (radio guy, developer, contributor, consumer) and found this pitch discouraging both as a consumer and as a contributor.

This like the most ambitious yet realistic open hardware project ever. Props for opening this up to the community to assist.

All I can say is take my money!

I see a lot of people are worrying about scope creep but I feel like we're missing the bigger picture here: this is cool as hell. Sometimes that's enough.

Protip: asks need to be simple. This is cool, but long: "congratulations, or sorry, but I'm not reading that".

If they had a "preorder" button at the top I would give them money and be done with it.

is iButton still a thing?

What is the best HW to do "penetration testing" of Bluetooth communication.

Not BLE, but Bluetooth. For BLE you can have nordic nRF chip.

I'm curious if someone experienced here have some recommendation.

Thank you.

> Build the most open and best-documented ARM computer in the world, with full mainline Linux kernel support.

Not even the Pi foundation could manage that. Why not go RISC-V if compatibility is the main goal? This thing does not need bleeding edge horsepower.

Here is a similar story of creating a smartphone that exclusively runs FLOSS on the main CPU and has WiFi and modem on M.2 cards: https://puri.sm/posts/breaking-ground/

>We want to train a specialized AI model that knows Flipper One's internals and applications inside out, so general-purpose models won't cut it. We invite the community to get involved.

I think a general purpose model would actually cut it pretty well if it has access to proper documentation and search. Since everything will be OSS, the model can have "full" introspection of the system.

Related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48212046

This project looks similar to Librem 5 to me. The same goal of open drivers and minimal blobs everywhere.

"It's not this, it's that"

Once you see this phrase, you know it's AI written.