I'll repeat my comment from nearly seven months ago [1] since it left a really bad taste about how users are dealt with. Nearly a year ago when the initial waves of the pandemic were raging on, Migadu removed its free tier. That's not a problem by itself because businesses have to make money to sustain and grow. But Migadu gave one month’s notice (contrary to the claims in the replies, that's what I saw) for users to switch. The replies to the comment also said that the new lowest paid tier was "affordable in every corner of the planet", which sounded quite ignorant even for a non-pandemic time.
Another point, which may matter to some people, is that while Migadu may be a Swiss company, the data centers where the mails are hosted were in France (this was the case at least a year ago). So the situation is somewhat comparable (not entirely though) to Fastmail being an Australian company with data centers in the U.S. being used.
For those who want multi-domain email services for a lower (flat) price, look at mxroute. It's based out of the U.S. though, which may not be an option for people who want certain services outside Five Eyes jurisdictions.
Migadu has taught me bargain basement email is too expensive in the long run.
akych
Their $19 (Micro) Plan lists "200 in/day and 20 out/day". My email usage, personally, seems to be in bursts. It stays below 1 or 2 outbound mails on most days, however on some days (rarely) there'll be threaded conversations with >50 outbound mails. So, I feel like it would be fantastic if the plan had monthly limits instead of daily limit. Or some other sort of limit, say EC2 like, which would allow the user to consume the resources in bursts.
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Cu3PO42
I have used Migadu in the past and I had absolutely no complaints. Everything worked as advertised and I had no delivery issues.
I chose them for their pricing model: they charge not per mailbox or domain, but rather per total number of emails in/out and storage. While this probably makes them less money, it always seemed like an honest and fair approach to billing.
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woutr_be
Also another happy Migadu user, on their micro plan. I mainly use it for small projects, it’s great because I pay a flat $19 fee for unlimited domains. I’m happy to upgrade once a project requires it.
For my personal domain email, I use Fastmail, but that comes in at $50 yearly. Not something I can justify when just playing around with an idea.
I’ve used Migadu for about 3/4 years now to provide email for hosting clients. They’re good. They had a little wobble at the start of the pandemic but otherwise no issues. You get full dmark, dkim etc and autodiscover. Massive mailboxes. Would recommend.
tsujp
I use Migadu myself and have nothing but compliments for them. They do offer a calendar but it's only as a bare-bones complement to their main focus of email, so if you do not care about having invite responses and the like and just want: X is happening at Y functionality it's perfects for that too.
I feel like they really care about how they offer their service and given how laser focused it is that translates into me being extremely satisfied with their offering.
sbaildon
I use migadu for all my side-project-esque domains because of their pricing, and their service has been wonderful.
Unfortunately I’m still using another provider for my primary domain because I can’t get real time push notifications on Apple Mail with Migadu—they’re limited to 15 minute fetches for best case scenario
CaptainMarvel
I started using Migadu recently because it offers - as far as I know - unlimited mailboxes and aliases on a single domain, and unlimited domains for a cheap, fixed price.
There isn’t anyone else that does this that I know of, and so the value provided in this one area is incredible.
There are other limits, like sending 20 emails per day on the cheapest plan, but I don’t think I’ve ever sent that many emails before.
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stingraycharles
Question: beyond a certain degree, why would you try to save money on email that much? Email is pretty much the weakest link for most people from a security perspective (ie password recovery), so I would want my email provider to have enough resources to properly secure the thing.
What are people using these providers for, and do you feel like they secure your mailbox enough?
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flowerlad
The most important feature I look for is Search. Really, email servers should primarily be search engines (and should use something like Lucene for storage). With Gmail I can search the last 15 years of email instantaneously. This is their killer feature. Migadu does not even mention search.
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mouldysammich
I've been using migadu for a year-ish, its a nice website. For only 20$ a year I don't think I've ever noticed down time and almost never received spam.
I'm looking forward to them deploying 'Alps' their new UI I've been using it on my self-hosted mail and its pretty sweet.
gingerjoos
I got my email hosting via MXRoute when they gave out a lifetime plan for $50 on Black Friday ( https://mxroute.com/pricing/ , currently available at $150). It's a very no-frills service, they provide a webUI via Roundcube, Crossbox, Rainloop etc. I am pretty much reliant on Thunderbird on the desktop and K9 on Android. I've never had issues and I'm switching over from gmail slowly.
I use uberspace for solely email, they provide a shell and bit more. It has been working well for me: i can have full 10gb space for email(now you can even buy more space), aliases/mailboxes as i need. https://manual.uberspace.de/mail-access/
bennyp101
Good timing, I'm in the process of looking to migrate my emails. Currently on O365 for 3 of us, but as we now all get Office products via work, I can't justify paying ~£30 a month.
Looking at our usage, the biggest account is 3.7GB, and in the last 180 days the most emails sent was 12 in one day, and the most received was 158 - so micro looks like a fit.
The pricing looks pretty spot on for what we need, and the features seem good, so I've set up a 14day trial with just my email to see how it goes.
I guess the only thing is calendar and contact sync, (I tried to get the calendar to work, but keeps saying it does not exist /shrug)
Any recommendations for a calendar/contact provider?
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Aeolun
I don’t ever want to have a limit on emails in/out per day. Or at least not an advertised limit for emails in.
What happens if I go over the limit, people that send me email get a message that their email bounced because my plan doesn’t allow more?
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icy
Migadu is fantastic. No complaints. Their support is very responsive -- they even gave me a 50% student discount!
robomartin
Options: Zimbra [0] and GoDaddy VPS [1]?
My current setup is very simple. We have a GoDaddy Gen 4 server (don't knock it, rock solid, no issues at all) were we host email for multiple domains as we please. It's super simple. No email hosting nightmares. Just point the MX record to that server and host the site anywhere else or on the same server. One fixed annual cost (~$600/yr) and you can do whatever you want. This is hard to beat.
I've been thinking of migrating to a Zimbra setup to self-host email on something like a Linode server. I absolutely detest per-mailbox/per-user plans. Frankly, it has been very hard to beat our current GoDaddy setup.
If you are dealing with multiple domains, each with multiple mailboxes, costs can add-up very quickly. It then becomes a cash bleed. Every service (not just email) wants $5 to $20 per month from you. It is very easy to end-up spending thousands of dollars per month through these "bleed" costs.
Anyhow, other than time to make the transition, what has stopped me from taking this path is that Zimbra seems "fat" in the sense that it requires a "fat" server to run.
Umm am I missing something? Wouldn't you just use GSuite and set up other domains as aliases?
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ishanjain28
What luck!
I have been trying to move away from Zoho. I tried protonmail for the last month but it's not for me. E2E is great but the loss in functionality is a bit much.
I switched to fastmail today but I have ran into some issues there as well[1] and so far I have seen a lot of recent reddit posts criticizing the extremely slow response time(2+ days) in support tickets. So, now I am not sure if fastmail is a good option.
Migadu has been recommended to me in the past, maybe I should try that out
inbox.eu is alternative which is much longer in business (since about 2000) with flat price per mailbox 9.99 EUR per year (now it is only 3 EUR with discount- no promo code needed).
migadu's mail number limit does not make sense to me: This risks losing emails.
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brnt
I use postale.io after I switched away from Migadu (got in while they had a free tier). Excellent and reliable service over the past year.
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baobabKoodaa
I tried Migadu in 2019. I did a lot of testing to make sure it can actually deliver emails to other providers like Gmail and Outlook. The test emails were fine. But then the very first real email that I actually needed to be delivered, it immediately went into the spam folder in Gmail.
It's a bad idea to use a small email provider to send emails.
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Fire-Dragon-DoL
I love Migadu, I have been customer for half a year.
My major problem is the lack of cross platform email clients with snooze capabilities.
This translated in me using gmail UI, which is what I wanted to avoid in the first place.
You can get to paid email clients, but they all include email hosting, defeating the purpose.
dogo22
I wonder why nobody has mentioned tutanota as an alternative in this thread. It's not too expensive and quite safe as far as I'm aware. If anyone knows a downside to it please share it with us.
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oron
I have a decent domain and good knowledge in backend / scaling production servers up. Anyone can recommend a good white label / open source package which I can use to build a Migadu clone ?
nmlt
Many people here are mentioning alternatives. The ones I’m using are mailbox.org (although they recently raised prices for new customers) and uberspace.de (includes ssh access).
fortran77
For $70/year Microsoft lets me point up to 99 domains at a cloud exchange server. This has been working well for me.
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Markoff
20 outgoing emails per day at micro service for 19USD a year? I really hope that's very bad joke
Mini with 100 outgoing emails for only 90USD a year is comparably bad
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werds
this is the worst landing page i have ever seen for a SaaS product
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npv789
purelymail is a better deal
marderfarker2
I already have email with unlimited addresses/aliases/domain with my hosting provider (a local-run no frills cPanel), I think most of HN will have similar setups.
ttty2
29usd a month is not "Humbly Priced" imo. I receive thousands of spam email.
I'll repeat my comment from nearly seven months ago [1] since it left a really bad taste about how users are dealt with. Nearly a year ago when the initial waves of the pandemic were raging on, Migadu removed its free tier. That's not a problem by itself because businesses have to make money to sustain and grow. But Migadu gave one month’s notice (contrary to the claims in the replies, that's what I saw) for users to switch. The replies to the comment also said that the new lowest paid tier was "affordable in every corner of the planet", which sounded quite ignorant even for a non-pandemic time.
Another point, which may matter to some people, is that while Migadu may be a Swiss company, the data centers where the mails are hosted were in France (this was the case at least a year ago). So the situation is somewhat comparable (not entirely though) to Fastmail being an Australian company with data centers in the U.S. being used.
For those who want multi-domain email services for a lower (flat) price, look at mxroute. It's based out of the U.S. though, which may not be an option for people who want certain services outside Five Eyes jurisdictions.
[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25382626
Ive had a bad enough experience with migadu that I am compelled to actively warn people not to use them (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25054091).
Migadu has taught me bargain basement email is too expensive in the long run.
Their $19 (Micro) Plan lists "200 in/day and 20 out/day". My email usage, personally, seems to be in bursts. It stays below 1 or 2 outbound mails on most days, however on some days (rarely) there'll be threaded conversations with >50 outbound mails. So, I feel like it would be fantastic if the plan had monthly limits instead of daily limit. Or some other sort of limit, say EC2 like, which would allow the user to consume the resources in bursts.
I have used Migadu in the past and I had absolutely no complaints. Everything worked as advertised and I had no delivery issues.
I chose them for their pricing model: they charge not per mailbox or domain, but rather per total number of emails in/out and storage. While this probably makes them less money, it always seemed like an honest and fair approach to billing.
Also another happy Migadu user, on their micro plan. I mainly use it for small projects, it’s great because I pay a flat $19 fee for unlimited domains. I’m happy to upgrade once a project requires it.
For my personal domain email, I use Fastmail, but that comes in at $50 yearly. Not something I can justify when just playing around with an idea.
Here is a comparison which lists some cheaper alternatives to Migadu: https://blog.m5e.de/post/comparison-of-email-hosting-possibi...
I’ve used Migadu for about 3/4 years now to provide email for hosting clients. They’re good. They had a little wobble at the start of the pandemic but otherwise no issues. You get full dmark, dkim etc and autodiscover. Massive mailboxes. Would recommend.
I use Migadu myself and have nothing but compliments for them. They do offer a calendar but it's only as a bare-bones complement to their main focus of email, so if you do not care about having invite responses and the like and just want: X is happening at Y functionality it's perfects for that too.
I feel like they really care about how they offer their service and given how laser focused it is that translates into me being extremely satisfied with their offering.
I use migadu for all my side-project-esque domains because of their pricing, and their service has been wonderful.
Unfortunately I’m still using another provider for my primary domain because I can’t get real time push notifications on Apple Mail with Migadu—they’re limited to 15 minute fetches for best case scenario
I started using Migadu recently because it offers - as far as I know - unlimited mailboxes and aliases on a single domain, and unlimited domains for a cheap, fixed price.
There isn’t anyone else that does this that I know of, and so the value provided in this one area is incredible.
There are other limits, like sending 20 emails per day on the cheapest plan, but I don’t think I’ve ever sent that many emails before.
Question: beyond a certain degree, why would you try to save money on email that much? Email is pretty much the weakest link for most people from a security perspective (ie password recovery), so I would want my email provider to have enough resources to properly secure the thing.
What are people using these providers for, and do you feel like they secure your mailbox enough?
The most important feature I look for is Search. Really, email servers should primarily be search engines (and should use something like Lucene for storage). With Gmail I can search the last 15 years of email instantaneously. This is their killer feature. Migadu does not even mention search.
I've been using migadu for a year-ish, its a nice website. For only 20$ a year I don't think I've ever noticed down time and almost never received spam.
I'm looking forward to them deploying 'Alps' their new UI I've been using it on my self-hosted mail and its pretty sweet.
I got my email hosting via MXRoute when they gave out a lifetime plan for $50 on Black Friday ( https://mxroute.com/pricing/ , currently available at $150). It's a very no-frills service, they provide a webUI via Roundcube, Crossbox, Rainloop etc. I am pretty much reliant on Thunderbird on the desktop and K9 on Android. I've never had issues and I'm switching over from gmail slowly.
Relevant post about Purelymail.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27707857
I use uberspace for solely email, they provide a shell and bit more. It has been working well for me: i can have full 10gb space for email(now you can even buy more space), aliases/mailboxes as i need. https://manual.uberspace.de/mail-access/
Good timing, I'm in the process of looking to migrate my emails. Currently on O365 for 3 of us, but as we now all get Office products via work, I can't justify paying ~£30 a month.
Looking at our usage, the biggest account is 3.7GB, and in the last 180 days the most emails sent was 12 in one day, and the most received was 158 - so micro looks like a fit.
The pricing looks pretty spot on for what we need, and the features seem good, so I've set up a 14day trial with just my email to see how it goes.
I guess the only thing is calendar and contact sync, (I tried to get the calendar to work, but keeps saying it does not exist /shrug)
Any recommendations for a calendar/contact provider?
I don’t ever want to have a limit on emails in/out per day. Or at least not an advertised limit for emails in.
What happens if I go over the limit, people that send me email get a message that their email bounced because my plan doesn’t allow more?
Migadu is fantastic. No complaints. Their support is very responsive -- they even gave me a 50% student discount!
Options: Zimbra [0] and GoDaddy VPS [1]?
My current setup is very simple. We have a GoDaddy Gen 4 server (don't knock it, rock solid, no issues at all) were we host email for multiple domains as we please. It's super simple. No email hosting nightmares. Just point the MX record to that server and host the site anywhere else or on the same server. One fixed annual cost (~$600/yr) and you can do whatever you want. This is hard to beat.
I've been thinking of migrating to a Zimbra setup to self-host email on something like a Linode server. I absolutely detest per-mailbox/per-user plans. Frankly, it has been very hard to beat our current GoDaddy setup.
If you are dealing with multiple domains, each with multiple mailboxes, costs can add-up very quickly. It then becomes a cash bleed. Every service (not just email) wants $5 to $20 per month from you. It is very easy to end-up spending thousands of dollars per month through these "bleed" costs.
Anyhow, other than time to make the transition, what has stopped me from taking this path is that Zimbra seems "fat" in the sense that it requires a "fat" server to run.
[0] https://www.zimbra.com/ [1] https://pk.godaddy.com/hosting/vps-hosting
Umm am I missing something? Wouldn't you just use GSuite and set up other domains as aliases?
What luck!
I have been trying to move away from Zoho. I tried protonmail for the last month but it's not for me. E2E is great but the loss in functionality is a bit much.
I switched to fastmail today but I have ran into some issues there as well[1] and so far I have seen a lot of recent reddit posts criticizing the extremely slow response time(2+ days) in support tickets. So, now I am not sure if fastmail is a good option.
Migadu has been recommended to me in the past, maybe I should try that out
[1] https://reddit.com/r/fastmail/comments/m4rj0g/_/h3tq036/?con...
inbox.eu is alternative which is much longer in business (since about 2000) with flat price per mailbox 9.99 EUR per year (now it is only 3 EUR with discount- no promo code needed).
For those who want to get their hands dirty, here is a full, step by step tutorial to set up your own email server: https://www.linuxbabe.com/mail-server/setup-basic-postfix-ma...
migadu's mail number limit does not make sense to me: This risks losing emails.
I use postale.io after I switched away from Migadu (got in while they had a free tier). Excellent and reliable service over the past year.
I tried Migadu in 2019. I did a lot of testing to make sure it can actually deliver emails to other providers like Gmail and Outlook. The test emails were fine. But then the very first real email that I actually needed to be delivered, it immediately went into the spam folder in Gmail.
It's a bad idea to use a small email provider to send emails.
I love Migadu, I have been customer for half a year.
My major problem is the lack of cross platform email clients with snooze capabilities.
This translated in me using gmail UI, which is what I wanted to avoid in the first place.
You can get to paid email clients, but they all include email hosting, defeating the purpose.
I wonder why nobody has mentioned tutanota as an alternative in this thread. It's not too expensive and quite safe as far as I'm aware. If anyone knows a downside to it please share it with us.
I have a decent domain and good knowledge in backend / scaling production servers up. Anyone can recommend a good white label / open source package which I can use to build a Migadu clone ?
Many people here are mentioning alternatives. The ones I’m using are mailbox.org (although they recently raised prices for new customers) and uberspace.de (includes ssh access).
For $70/year Microsoft lets me point up to 99 domains at a cloud exchange server. This has been working well for me.
20 outgoing emails per day at micro service for 19USD a year? I really hope that's very bad joke
Mini with 100 outgoing emails for only 90USD a year is comparably bad
this is the worst landing page i have ever seen for a SaaS product
purelymail is a better deal
I already have email with unlimited addresses/aliases/domain with my hosting provider (a local-run no frills cPanel), I think most of HN will have similar setups.
29usd a month is not "Humbly Priced" imo. I receive thousands of spam email.
Simple mail hostings on the rise nowadays.
What next? UUCP providers? Flat price BBS?